We actually depicted that in an episode, too. He was the head bellman at the Ritz hotel, which is where Nucky lived. Of course, it factored into his fictional relationship with Jimmy Darmodys mom, who cured him of that problem. We all know that theres an iceberg out there. Hes avoiding these encounters because theres an issue here, and hes covering it up by saying, No, I actually avoided women.. I am not happy with my weight right [now], she posted. 1784 - Elisabeth Thible becomes the first woman to fly -- in a hot air balloon, 1798 - Jeanne Labrosse is the first woman to solo in a balloon, 1809 - Marie Madeleine Sophie Blanchard becomes the first woman to lose her life while flying - she was watching fireworks in her hydrogen balloon, 1851 - "Mademoiselle Delon" ascends in a balloon in Philadelphia, 1880 - July 4 - Mary Myers is the first American woman to solo in a balloon, 1903 - Aida de Acosta is the first woman to solo in a dirigible (a motorized aircraft), 1906 - E. Lillian Todd is the first woman to design and build an airplane, though it never flew, 1908 - Madame Therese Peltier is the first woman to fly an airplane solo, 1908 - Edith Berg is the first woman airplane passenger (she was a European business manager for the Wright Brothers), 1910 - Baroness Raymonde de la Roche obtains a license from the Aero Club of France, the first woman in the world to earn a pilot's license, 1910 - September 2 - Blanche Stuart Scott, without permission or knowledge of Glenn Curtiss, the airplane's owner and builder, removes a small wood wedge and is able to get the airplane airborne -- without any flying lessons -- thus becoming the first American woman to pilot an airplane, 1910 - October 13 - Bessica Raiche's flight qualifies her, for some, as the first woman pilot in America because some discount the flight of Scott as accidental and therefore deny her this credit, 1911 - August 11 - Harriet Quimby becomes the first American woman licensed pilot, with flight license number 37 from the Aero Club of America, 1911 - September 4 - Harriet Quimby becomes the first woman to fly at night, 1912 - April 16 - Harriet Quimby becomes the first woman to pilot her own aircraft across the English Channel, 1913 - Alys McKey Bryant is the first woman pilot in Canada, 1916 - Ruth Law sets two American records flying from Chicago to New York, 1918 - The US postmaster general approves the appointment of Marjorie Stinson as the first female airmail pilot. Period-accurate styles lend Boardwalk Empire an authentic Prohibition-era feel. Reflecting on Pecks career in climbing and exploration, Earhart noted, I felt an upstart [compared to Peck]. He also for some reason believed that fresh figs were extremely healthful, so, usually youll see a bowl of fresh figs around. So, youll get people in Atlantic City that are a little more sophisticated. The murder of Jimmy Darmondy (Michael Pitt) in last seasons finale freed Nucky from his especial concern with being as opposed to appearing to be a respectable sort of gangster, a guy in the business of moving hooch, not capping humans. Edward, do you have a lot of old family stories that you can rely on for storylines? When you visit this site, it may store or retrieve information on your browser, mostly in the form of cookies. He had his rise through the ranks in Chicago, and being, basically, the king of that world, and I wont deviate from that. Tonight will be humid and mild with lows in the mid to upper 60s. When the showers let up, the fog settled in across parts of South Mississippi. There is a Severe Thunderstorm Watch in effect until midnight for Pearl River County. You can throw in numbers, dots and dashes, too. During her college years at MSU, she was a member of the Chase Team where she chased tornados with classmates. In Season 3, which premieres Sunday night on HBO, Nuckys finally given himself over to the inevitability of Jimmys truism, and hes taken Boardwalk Empire with him. Ahead of the frontal passage, we are going to stay very humid and mild with scattered showers and even some thunderstorms. Duncans flight is an occasion for the men on the show to make disparaging, on-the-nose, time period-accurate remarks. Jone Johnson Lewis is a women's history writer who has been involved with the women's movement since the late 1960s. Levi: My strength in working with a lot of the theatrical things is the big picture. Then when the first script comes out, Ill go through that and look at specific references and slang and that type of thing and really just check up on everything to make sure that its in line with the period. The viewer said Duncan, who gave birth to a second child in December, had a "horrid gut" and "huge arms" and "my husband will not watch the news while you are giving the forecast because . King Tuts tomb was just discovered a few months earlier, and that became the big rage. Carrie Duncan (1895-January 1923) was a female American aviator who aimed to achieve the first transcontinental flight by a woman. She has eight nieces and two nephews! We are bracing ourselves for the arctic blast set to blanket the south starting Thursday night. Meanwhile, Al Capones in Chicago, managing an entirely different set of liquor logistics and macho men. Its a birthright at this point. Tonight will be cold with lows in the upper 30s to low 40s. This season coming up, this is just a physical characteristic, Dean OBanion in the Chicago flower shop did actually walk with a limp. McGinty: Yeah, I pretty much showed up to the interview with every book about Atlantic City that I had. I will say, Heres a bunch of stuff that I think is interesting from that year. Finally, last year and I hope to do it again this year I have the opportunity to go speak with the writers and tell them what I hope they might look for in the next season, based on what I think might be interesting. Our dewpoints are going to be high, as well, making it feel pretty humid. Ad Choices, TV Fact-Checkers: Ginning Up *Boardwalk Empire'*s Boozy Gangster Paradise, All the Settings You Should Change on Your New Samsung Phone, Fat, Sugar, Salt Youve Been Thinking About Food All Wrong, You Can Turn Your Backyard Into a Biodiversity Hotspot, No, the James Webb Space Telescope Hasnt Broken Cosmology. He was actually one of the grad students who was there the night you spoke., So I met him for breakfast in Los Angeles, and he showed up with a shopping bag full of photographs, many of which were of his grandfather, who worked as a bellman in the actual Ritz-Carlton hotel when the real Nucky lived there. Bessie Coleman was the first African American (either gender) to earn a pilot's . We fictionalized her. I have an entire library in my office of books that I refer to. It was like, good for him. My grandfather and my father, they were in cable television, and set up one of the first cable TV systems in the country in Atlantic City. Carrie Duncan Its a lot more than just this scar-faced guy chomping the cigar and beating people. Now it was suddenly, you could go to a drug store, buy a razor, shave yourself. He was just a chubby kid who was somebodys driver and they dont know his name. It was a lot of really just getting the show and the world built and the audience to see what this world was. Everything about it was perfect. These two Encyclopedia Brown types arent the whole of the shows research operation costumers and set designers do their own backgrounding as well and neither take any more credit for the accuracy of the show than they feel they deserve. A photo of Snook was used to portray Duncan in the newspaper article about her planned flight. Has there ever been something from a script or story pitch that you wanted to do but ended up having to reject because it was just too much of an anachronism? They actually have to go and find paint chips of the houses, the color and that kind of thing. They put that up as an inspiration for Margaret, to where her story would go. But its just not time yet. Wired talks with the fact-checkers who keep the angry nerds at bay. This had just happened. But, Al also wasnt friends with the real Nucky. WIRED may earn a portion of sales from products that are purchased through our site as part of our Affiliate Partnerships with retailers. Jill Brennan, Actress: Boston Legal. She takes off from Cape May. Ive got pants, I know, from 1995, probably in my closet. Carrie Duncan Carrie Duncan Chief Meteorologist Biloxi, MS Carrie has been at WLOX since September of 2002. Its very subtle. Everybody is as on top of this as I am. We based Carrie Duncan on that. This guys a murderer and this obvious sociopath, but now suddenly hes Mr. Same thing with Harry Daugherty, the attorney general, and his accomplice Jess Smith. My parents have been married for over 45 years, and they have been such an example for me. Some of them are really fashionable and some of them are old-school and keep the same suit. He came up in vaudeville, and he came back and worked at the hotel. Everywhere along the line, whenever I felt I could fictionalize a character, I would, starting with Nucky. The Marvel Movies From Worst to Bestand Where to Stream Them. As they do rewrites, Ill keep up on that. I appreciate the kind words, support & genuine excitement you have had for me! Tonight will be even colder with a light freeze possible for most of South Mississippi. Or they would wake up in the morning and thered be crates of booze on their doorstep and that kind of thing. I was reminded of this in a recent episode of HBOs 1920s period drama Boardwalk Empire, which featured a woman pilot who endeavors to fly alone across America. Tonight will be cold with clearing skies, and temperatures will drop in the 30s. A lot of the archives at the Atlantic City Free Public Library, which has been indispensable to me, was built by Maria Boyd, who was Ward Boss Boyds wife. (Spoiler alert: Minor plot points follow.). It will be more humid with increasing humidity. This week, the AI-generated parody Nothing, Forever got temporarily banned from the streaming site following some transphobic jokes. And so, he had all kinds of stories to tell. Along these lines, Boardwalk remains ham-handed with its metaphors. In one story line, Margaret takes an interest in Carrie Duncan, a female pilot attempting a solo journey across America. But it also changes, too just because its 2012 doesnt mean that everybody out on the street is wearing clothes from 2012. The guy lived till the 40s. It is going to be gorgeous today with loads of sunshine! Means was basically a conman who somehow wangled his way into a job as a Pinkerton agent, and then ultimately into the Justice Department. It didn't stop for three weeks straight!". Even after it airs, theres so many eyes on the show. I have a little bit of bloodline to this story. Bona fides: Winter is something of a history geek and also won Emmys for his work as a writer and producer on The Sopranos. Titles: Winter is executive producer and writer; McGinty is research adviser and plays the character Ward Boss Boyd; Levi is historical consultant for Boardwalk Empire (which airs Sundays at 9 p.m. on HBO). "A Timeline of Women in Aviation." Contents For example, Al Capone may very well have been friends with a guy like [Michael Pitts character] Jimmy Darmody, who ultimately became a footnote in mob history because he died in 1921. Throughout her career, she has worked a blizzard in Erie, hurricanes and floods in NC and many tropical storms and hurricanes here in South Mississippi. It really cemented my place here in South Mississippi, It made me put roots down. Everything except, of course, our main title song, which is completely inappropriate to the period. There have been times when Ive rejected songs, or I found some that I thought were period-appropriate, and then Id find out they were a couple years too late, and I wont use them. I mean, we had a big debate about mustaches last year. In this moment, as in future ones, Nucky hews to the criminals code. 8 03 . "It's hard to believe it's been 10 years. The first season and a half, I was actually in the writers room and able to really make educated guesses and answer the questions as they came up. Hes like a big, burly guy with a mustache. Heres the thing, if you dont like something/someone on TV, change the channel. Patchy dense fog will be possible. [See video below.] Finding out how Al Swearengen or Calamity Jane met their ends was just a click away. Updated: May. It didn't stop for three weeks straight!". 167 talking about this. I was a big fan of Deadwood, but once I found out that all those people were real, the first thing I did was Google everybody. In her off time, Carrie enjoys spending time with her husband, family & friends; going to the beach; shopping; crafting and doing most anything outdoors. In those areas seeing sunshine, the temperatures will bump up into the low and mid 70s. It will be mild and muggy with lows in the mid to upper 60s. It is going to be a perfect winter day in South Mississippi. There will be a slight risk (2 out of 5) for flooding and damaging thunderstorms in South Mississippi through Wednesday morning. Temperatures have fallen below freezing, and the winds are whipping out of the north between 15-25 mph with gusts up to 40 mph. 2012 - Liu Yang becomes the first woman launched by China into space. Family was a huge factor in my decision to move back home to my home state of Mississippi.". That happens every now and again when Im back in Atlantic City, which I get back there quite a bit. It was a dark point of my career. Any other Easter eggs you can share for the new season? Unbeknownst to him, he had syphilis when he impregnated his wife. The guy who ran that evening was a grad student at that point. I told him, and he said, Oh, you got to meet my friend Ed McGinty. 2021 He was a page boy. Robert Duncan McNeill started his career with small sci-fi guest roles in the 1980s Twilight Zone and Quantum Leap before hitting his first big role in 1992: Cadet Nicholas Locarno in fan favorite . Hes avoiding these women. Tonight, will be partly cloudy and humid with lows in the mid to upper 60s. There is a slight (2 out of 5) for strong to severe storms tonight for most of South Mississippi, but there is a part of the northeast portion of the area with an enhanced (3 out of 5) risk. In her off time, Carrie enjoys spending time with her husband, family & friends; going to the beach; shopping; crafting and doing most anything outdoors. Her work earned her and the entire WLOX crew a Peabody and Emmy. I really wish I didnt know, for example, that Al Swearengen lived till the 20th century, because it took a lot of the jeopardy of the show away from me. "It's hard to believe it's been 10 years. So, the Teapot Dome scandal started to heat up. The art department has a woman named Miriam Schapiro and the production designer Bill Groom they do a ton of their own research. So Margaret is very much on the cutting edge by having an Egyptian themed New Years party. The message was particularly hurtful to Duncan because she is currently struggling with her post-baby body. I want to do better, and I know I will.. Edward and Vicki, being natives, do you feel a responsibility to do the city justice with the show? Who cares? That cold front will bring us the threat for strong to severe storms this evening and tonight. During that winter, 111 inches of snow fell. How do you avoid doing the same thing with your characters? We are going to see some coastal fog sticking around through much of the day. If the front moves quickly enough, the fog will move out of the area before sunrise. It is going to be mostly cloudy and chilly with lows in the 40s. I cant say Im the only one who sent that in, but I sure had a folder on it. That was the decision going into it. Ed is a fourth-generation Atlantic City native. Thats a completely different part of town.. Its a very oblique reference. It was written by George M. Cohan. Her work earned her and the entire WLOX crew a Peabody and Emmy. This afternoon will be nice and sunny with highs in the upper 50s to low 60s, which is still slightly below normal. Then, in his biography, he talked about the idea that he avoided a lot of intimate encounters with women over the years, even though he had women throwing themselves at him. There are some breaks in the clouds allowing the sunshine to break through. By 1921, if you were under 30, you did not have a mustache. So, you get to go home with Al Capone, and see his family and his kid. Her work earned her and the entire WLOX crew a Peabody and Emmy. Shes also a handy symbol of Margarets own desire to fly above, follow her dreams, and be free. By clicking Accept All Cookies, you agree to the storing of cookies on your device to enhance site navigation, analyze site usage, and assist in our marketing efforts. Rothstein will be eating them, occasionally. Michael Shannons Van Alden is in Chicago too, but with a secret identity, caught in a soul-crushing Death of a Salesman reenactment that could also function as a PSA about the dangers of adult bullying. Carrie has been at WLOX since September of 2002. Thats the reality of the world we live in. Behind the cold front is a high-pressure system ushering in even colder temperatures and low dew point temperatures for tonight. 1919- Baroness Raymonde de la Roche, who in 1910 was the first woman to earn a pilot's license, set an altitude record for women of 4,785 meters or 15,700 feet, 1919 - Ruth Law becomes the first person to fly air mail in the Philippines, 1921 - Adrienne Bolland is the first woman to fly over the Andes, 1921 - Bessie Coleman becomes the first African American, male or female, to earn a pilot's license, 1922 - Lillian Gatlin is the first woman to fly across America as a passenger, 1928 - June 17 - Amelia Earhart is the first woman to fly across the Atlantic -- Lou Gordon and Wilmer Stultz did most of the flying, 1929 - August - first Women's Air Derby is held, and Louise Thaden wins, Gladys O'Donnell takes second place and Amelia Earhart takes third, 1929 - Florence Lowe Barnes - Pancho Barnes - becomes the first woman stunt pilot in motion pictures (in "Hell's Angels"), 1929 - Amelia Earhart becomes the first president of the Ninety-Nines, an organization of women pilots, 1930 - May 5-24 - Amy Johnson becomes the first woman to fly solo from England to Australia, 1930 - Anne Morrow Lindbergh becomes the first woman to earn a glider pilot license, 1931 - Ruth Nichols fails in her attempt to fly solo across the Atlantic, but she breaks the world distance record flying from California to Kentucky, 1931 - Katherine Cheung becomes the first woman of Chinese ancestry to earn a pilot's license, 1932 - May 20-21 - Amelia Earhart is the first woman to fly solo across the Atlantic, 1932 - Ruthy Tu becomes the first woman pilot in the Chinese Army, 1934 - Helen Richey becomes the first woman pilot hired by a regularly scheduled airline, Central Airlines, 1934 - Jean Batten is the first woman to fly round trip England to Australia, 1935 - January 11-23 - Amelia Earhart is the first person to fly solo from Hawaii to the American mainland, 1936 - Beryl Markham becomes the first woman to fly across the Atlantic east to west, 1936 - Louise Thaden and Blanche Noyes beat male pilots also entered in the Bendix Trophy Race, the first victory of women over men in a race which both men and women could enter, 1937 - July 2 - Amelia Earhart lost over Pacific, 1937 - Hanna Reitsch was the first woman to cross the Alps in a glider, 1938 - Hanna Reitsch becomes the first woman to fly a helicopter and the first woman to be licensed as a helicopter pilot, 1939 - Willa Brown, first African American commercial pilot and first African American woman officer in the Civil Air Patrol, helps form the National Airmen's Association of America to help open up the U.S. Armed Forces to African American men, 1939 - January 5 - Amelia Earhart declared legally dead, 1939 - September 15 - Jacqueline Cochran sets an international speed record; the same year, she is the first woman to make a blind landing, 1941 - July 1 - Jacqueline Cochrane is the first woman to ferry a bomber across the Atlantic, 1941 - Marina Raskova appointed by Soviet Union high command to organize regiments of women pilots, one of which is later called the Night Witches, 1942 - Nancy Harkness Love and Jackie Cochran organize women flying units and training detachments, 1943 - Women make up more than 30% of the workforce in the aviation industry, 1943 - Love's and Cochran's units are merged into the Women Airforce Service Pilots and Jackie Cochran becomes the Director of Women Pilots -- those in WASP flew more than 60 million miles before the program ended in December 1944, with only 38 lives lost of 1830 volunteers and 1074 graduates -- these pilots were seen as civilians and were only recognized as military personnel in 1977, 1944 - German pilot Hanna Reitsch was the first woman to pilot a jet aircraft, 1944 - WASP (Women Airforce Service Pilots) disbanded; the women were given no benefits for their service, 1945 - Melitta Schiller is awarded the Iron Cross and Military Flight Badge in Germany, 1945 - Valrie Andr of the French Army in Indochina, a neurosurgeon, was the first woman to fly a helicopter in combat, 1949- Richarda Morrow-Tait landed in Croydon, England, after her round-the-world flight, with navigator Michael Townsend, the first such flight for a woman -- it took one year and one day with a 7 week stop in India to replace the plane's engine and 8 monthsin Alaska to raise funds to replace her plane, 1953 - Jacqueline (Jackie) Cochran becomes the first woman to break the sound barrier, 1964 - March 19 - Geraldine (Jerrie) Mock of Columbus, Ohio, is the first woman to pilot a plane solo around the world ("The Spirit of Columbus," a single-engine plane), 1973 - January 29 - Emily Howell Warner is the first woman working as a pilot for a commercial airline (Frontier Airlines), 1973 - U.S. Navy announces pilot training for women, 1974 - Mary Barr becomes the first woman pilot with the Forest Service, 1974 - June 4 - Sally Murphy is the first woman to qualify as an aviator with the U.S. Army, 1977 - November - Congress passes a bill recognizing WASP pilots of World War II as military personnel, and President Jimmy Carter signs the bill into law, 1978 - International Society of Women Airline pilots formed, 1980 - Lynn Rippelmeyer becomes the first woman to pilot a Boeing 747, 1984 - on July 18, Beverly Burns becomes the first woman to captain a 747 cross country, and Lynn Rippelmeyer becomes the first woman to captain a 747 across the Atlantic -- sharing the honor, thereby, of being the first female 747 captains, 1987 - Kamin Bell became the first African American woman Navy helicopter pilot (February 13), 1994 - Vicki Van Meter is the youngest pilot (to that date) to fly across the Atlantic in a Cessna 210 - she is 12 years old at the time of the flight, 1994 - April 21 - Jackie Parker becomes the first woman to qualify to fly an F-16 combat plane, 2001 - Polly Vacher becomes the first woman to fly around the world in a small plane - she flies from England to England on a route that includes Australia, 2012 - Women who flew as part of WASP in World War II (Women Airforce Service Pilots) are given the Congressional Gold Medal in the United States, with over 250 women attending. Chief Meteorologist. Episode 3 sparked the kind of lively discourse only the internet can deliver. We did fictionalize her, but she was based on a real female aviator of the period. I dont get mired down in, Well, that didnt happen exactly on that day at that place! I understand theres an arc of historical fiction here. Duncan who gave birth to a baby boy last . By 8 PM, we expect more widespread showers and thunderstorms. More widespread rain should happen tonight. We will see some patchy dense fog in the overnight and early morning hours. The humidity will continue to drop during the day, but well still warm up into the low to mid 70s in the afternoon. Even the King Tut novelty song that they perform at the show was [real]. Gillian Darmondy (Gretchen Mol) worries over the decorations in her new whorehouse while getting a head start on being as deforming a grandmother as she was mother. View the profiles of professionals named "Carrie Duncan" on LinkedIn. To set the mood, the new season begins with two murder scenes. Lewis, Jone Johnson. Thats the kind of stuff we pay attention to as well, because it looks fake if everybody looks like they stepped out of that months fashion magazine. In one story line, Margaret takes an interest in Carrie Duncan, a female pilot attempting a solo journey across America. It depicts what we never think and understand, in a humorous way.I must say, we have been witnessing that TV shows have become unimaginative, nonsense and decayed. I've worked in Pensacola, Erie, Greenville, NC and Biloxi, MS. Wired asked Winter, McGinty and Levi to open up that factory, and in the process got the details about putting truth into historical fiction, the Great Moustache Debate during Season 2, Lucky Luciano giving himself gonorrhea, going to the Museum of Sex in New York for research, and the softer side of the real Al Capone thats rarely seen on TV (until now). By 1921, if you were under 30, you did not have a mustache. The Carrie King/Jeff Duncan Real Estate Group, Inc. is a Kentucky Kco - Corporation filed on January 14, 2015. You have to go audition in the morning. I was terrified. By sunrise, we could see a few scattered showers, so dont forget your umbrella tomorrow. Early on in the research, I read Lucianos biography, which talked about the idea that he, to get out of service in World War I, intentionally had himself infected with gonorrhea. McGinty: We thought that was really interesting. Boardwalk Empire Wiki is a FANDOM TV Community. Youre not a woman. ------------------------------------------. A 5-episode coming-of-age story about the many first adventures in a young man's life. In the first, we are introduced to the bootlegger Gyp Rosetti (a magnetic Bobby Cannavale), a major new character and even more major head case. https://www.thoughtco.com/women-in-aviation-timeline-3528458 (accessed March 1, 2023). This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. There are certain historical events that I would love to see happen: the stock market crash, the Saint Valentines Day Massacre. That plays out over the show. Get ready for a rough night ahead. If they have a question outside of their purview, they ask me. ("Resolution"), Margaret later sees the headline "Wreckage of Carrie Duncan's Plane Found Near Yosemite: Aviatrix Presumed Killed During Ill-fated Journey"("Blue Bell Boy"). We had them in Season 1 to talk to the writers about their particular characters. Terence Winter: Starting out, I had inherited the book [Boardwalk Empire by Nelson Johnson]. Lucky Luciano is another example. We could see some scattered, light showers overnight and into the early part of Thursday. I thought, OK. He played one of Nuckys ward bosses. Ugly people always have something ugly to say. I thought, Wow. Actor He would just go and blurt out almost like Tourettes-y kind of things. The King Tut thing happened, and then, as is the case today, suddenly it becomes a pop culture phenomenon. (2021, February 16). View Carrie Duncan's professional profile on LinkedIn. Then, at the end of the interview, I pulled out a photo with my grandmother and grandfather standing on the boardwalk, probably around 1922, and then a picture of my grandfather in a bellmans outfit. A few showers may pop-up in the afternoon, as well. Some of Boardwalk Empires gangsters dress for success. There are certain historical events that I would love to see happen: the stock market crash, the Saint Valentines Day Massacre. Duncan aimed to make a 30-hour flight across North America, and many women looked up to her, while men dismissed her due to her gender. You generally always see him drinking milk. I dont know that its ever been depicted or even mentioned in any movie about Capone. This guys a murderer and this obvious sociopath, but now suddenly hes Mr. One phase is if they have a question. We could see a few light showers, so Id grab your umbrella, just in case you get caught in a shower. Family was a huge factor in my decision to move back home to my home state of Mississippi.". Im constantly, constantly reading. The WIRED conversation illuminates how technology is changing every aspect of our livesfrom culture to business, science to design. Also, a wind chill advisory today through Saturday morning at 10 AM. Photo: Macall B. Polay/HBODo you ever pitch story lines or anything like that? Winter: The episode where Nucky goes to outer space, we couldnt do that [laughs]. He wasnt a murderer. Gillette really started this ad campaign to make it so it wasnt cool to have a mustache. Temperatures will fall into the 50s. It was one of those weird kismet kind of things. There was some speculation that these guys might be lovers they shared an apartment together but it was never really proven. He and I stayed in touch over the years through e-mail. 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